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The real reason that the Shenny clips will be played is that KCS and JP will be the only recognizable faces from the cast. JG and SH want to be on the producing directing end as does MR. Not sure what KN intends but he's not going to be a big star. He'll probably get an almost instantly forgettable sitcom. MB will just crawl back under her rock for another twenty years.

(02-18-2015, 04:28 AM)devilbk Wrote: [ -> ]The real reason that the Shenny clips will be played is that KCS and JP will be the only recognizable faces from the cast. JG and SH want to be on the producing directing end as does MR. Not sure what KN intends but he's not going to be a big star. He'll probably get an almost instantly forgettable sitcom. MB will just crawl back under her rock for another twenty years.

You're probably right. I didn't know Melissa wanted to produce/direct.

You guys! *virtual hugs and kisses* (although I must apologise because I'm not usually this soppy)

I agree with everything that has been said so far - and you guys have articulated it much better than I ever could. Personally, I feel that they have debased the characters I love so much that even the golden years have become tainted. I just can't enjoy seasons 1-3 knowing that there have been/will be many more seasons of utter garbage.

For all the reasons cited here, I think that the wishy-washy way that Jim now plays the Sheldon character is probably the worst offence that the show has committed. Frankly, they don't give enough material to Kaley for her to really shine - and since they are so dead-set against Penny having any quality scenes with Sheldon there are so few ways that she could be utilised effectively. On the other hand, I blame both Jim and the director for the way that Sheldon has turned out recently. What happened? Jesus Christ, are Jim's acting skills so limited that this is the only he can play a romantic lead?

I absolutely adored Sheldon because he was so assertive and confident - he wasn't particularly manly in voice or appearance but, by jingo, the way he carried himself in both manner and voice was something fierce. When Sheldon said that he was the smartest in the room, I believed him. When he said he was going to win the Nobel prize, I believed him. Yes, he did have moments when he was childish (although I think obstinate is a much better term) but those moments were few and far between and his smarts eclipsed anything else. Above all else, I appreciated that he wasn't apologetic for what/who he was - which was refreshing when juxtaposed to the Leonard character. Hence, I rooted for the Sheldon and I wanted him to succeed badly - mostly in Science but also romantically. I thought that it would have been amusing and an interesting running gag if the most outlandish character (at least to Leonard, Howard, Raj et al) became one half of a loving, funny and wacky relationship all rolled into one. And because I adored Sheldon so much I thought he deserved someone special - basically NOT AMY (a character whose purpose for existing is so that we can pity her).

To me, no other two characters were more suited to each other (both chemistry-wise and their comedic potential) as Penny and Sheldon. I felt that they could bring out the best in each other. Penny needed someone that would challenge her- not to treat her (and please excuse me) as just a fanny and pretty face. Sheldon needed someone that could expand his horizons - to show him that he could be both the master of the universe and the master of human relationships (the one thing that has always baffled and eluded him). For me, that would have been the epitome of growth and character development. I'm not suggesting that Sheldon would easily master romantic relationships - but the comedy (because after all this is a sitcom although it seems to me that tptb have forgotten) would be his attempts to master romance and probably only occasionally succeed. I think that Sheldon is an endearing character and firmly believe he would have no trouble attracting women (Princess Panchali (?)). Nothing would have pleased me more than to see him use his intensity and sheer willpower to win a potential mate.

Quote:I wonder what people will remember in 20 years time. I can see them saying "remember that crazy character Sheldon Cooper?" I do not believe they will say "remember Leonard and Penny?" or "remember Sheldon and Amy?". It will be Sheldon and the scenes they re-run on nostalgia shows will be Shenny. well that's the future I see.

I agree. Somehow, I don't think this show has legs. When it ends, I think it'll drop off the pop-culture radar and be forgotten surprisingly quickly. The eps will run in syndication forever and continue racking up the $$$, I'm sure, but it won't have classic, iconic status. Maybe it could have, if they'd ended it after four or five seasons and kept the original characters and original style intact.

I neither like nor dislike "Friends", much, but it definitely has a secure place in TV history and in people's memories. So does Seinfeld. BBT is going to be a second-tier sitcom like "That 70s Show" or something.

I've said it many times before, but IMO the traditional, long-running, laugh-tracked sitcom is an exhausted concept which needs to end. I doubt it will, because there's always more money to be made from revisiting the same old crap, but there need to be more shows like "The Office" (US) which have a somewhat different format. (that show ended with a flurry of weddings and babies, too, but from a technical standpoint it was *slightly* more experimental, IMO.) You couldn't pay me to watch another "Fat husband, bitchy wife, laugh track!" show.

I'd like to think we're seeing the death throes of the traditional sitcom, now. A lot of people were furiously unhappy with the ending of HIMYM, and if people would open their eyes, they'd see that BBT has been running on autopilot for at least the past four or five years.

Quote:I neither like nor dislike "Friends", much, but it definitely has a secure place in TV history and in people's memories. So does Seinfeld. BBT is going to be a second-tier sitcom like "That 70s Show" or something.

You are so right about this. Although, I think it's going to fade even lower than "That 70s Show" eventually. The merchandise will still be around in obscure places, but people will probably start to wonder where those things come from, having never heard of TBBT in the first place. Like, there's t-shirts that have the 'evolution of man' on them that eventually go to robot, I believe. People will probably buy the t-shirts because they're neat, but will never get that they are meant to be references to "The Big Bang Theory". They'll be oblivious. Which is sad, but that's the fault of the creators for letting the series slide into obscurity and repetition.

Quote:...if people would open their eyes, they'd see that BBT has been running on autopilot for at least the past four or five years.

^ Completely defines the series at the moment.

It really does make us wonder why the cast endure how their characters have changed into caricatures of their former selves. Surely an actor's integrity wouldn't allow them to keep up this farce? Especially JP.

(02-18-2015, 07:22 PM)MilleniumRing Wrote: [ -> ]You are so right about this. Although, I think it's going to fade even lower than "That 70s Show" eventually. The merchandise will still be around in obscure places, but people will probably start to wonder where those things come from, having never heard of TBBT in the first place. Like, there's t-shirts that have the 'evolution of man' on them that eventually go to robot, I believe. People will probably buy the t-shirts because they're neat, but will never get that they are meant to be references to "The Big Bang Theory". They'll be oblivious. Which is sad, but that's the fault of the creators for letting the series slide into obscurity and repetition.


^ Completely defines the series at the moment.

It really does make us wonder why the cast endure how their characters have changed into caricatures of their former selves. Surely an actor's integrity wouldn't allow them to keep up this farce? Especially JP.

I've wondered the same things. Seems the actors have been taken in with the big paycheck and their fear of Chuck Lorre. Sadly, there are no rebels among these actors.

No one crosses The Duke(actually I think he'd be flattered by that, like Duke Ellington). Maybe that's where Sheldon's list of mortal enemies, comes from.

I know we've been redefining words and metaphors to suit a Shenny universe. But I've just spent few days doing a Sheldon. Only he does it for fun!

I like this scene. It was considered a rite of passage to have a beer with your father.(these days it's kick his ass on B3). So considering Sheldon only reached puberty at nineteen, father dead,moot. Also as Penny has been spiking his drinks, his mind's gone(imagine what would be said if Sheldon spiked Penny's drinks, although obviously not with alcohol). Leonard has ruined his career,twice. Sheldon might as well let go. He'll always get on with the fathers; what with his Texas roots, and intimate knowledge of football. The other guys can only dream of this. So I say enjoy it Sheldon, let go, and throw up on a few clowns!

(03-29-2015, 11:31 PM)ricardo shillyshally Wrote: [ -> ]I like this scene. It was considered a rite of passage to have a beer with your father.(these days it's kick his ass on B3). So considering Sheldon only reached puberty at nineteen, father dead,moot. Also as Penny has been spiking his drinks, his mind's gone(imagine what would be said if Sheldon spiked Penny's drinks, although obviously not with alcohol). Leonard has ruined his career,twice. Sheldon might as well let go. He'll always get on with the fathers; what with his Texas roots, and intimate knowledge of football. The other guys can only dream of this. So I say enjoy it Sheldon, let go, and throw up on a few clowns!

By this time Sheldon is so damaged and changed that it doesn't have the impact of say having him do that scene with Penny's dad back when he still was Sheldor and a jealous Leonard looking on (since he's supposed to be the fake boyfriend of Penny and once again a parental figure is bonding with Sheldon instead of him)