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(02-26-2014, 11:48 PM)FlyingMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]I did skip "The Kiss" episode which is the first one I've missed. I'm getting very close to pulling the plug before they competely destroy him. It's painful to watch Vintage Sheldon being slowly dismantled piece by piece. What makes it worse is those who are loudly cheering each step of the destruction. I just saw someone in Orangeland refer to Vintage Sheldon as a "childish prick" who needs to grow up.

I find the newer version of him much more childish. Maybe there's a lack of understand as to what is considered as Vintage Sheldon.

(02-27-2014, 12:10 AM)FranEssi Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen my fair share of such comments about Sheldon. When I first went online after finishing watching all the 6 seasons of the show, these types of comments was what I came across on almost every BBT-related website I visited.

The people who talk about and support "growth" and "change" when it comes to Sheldon are the people who never liked him for who he was. The still don't like him. They may tolerate him only if he becomes "normal", "humbled" and "put in his place". They would also love it if he get as little screen time as possible. Not surprisingly, they are mainly Leonard and Amy fans too. They never liked the early, more Sheldon-centric seasons and episodes and are now more than happy that things have changed the way they have. And this crowd is exactly the type of audience TPTB is - and will be - catering to.

So it's not just the gang who have never liked Sheldon for who he was but also some of the fans as well. Tuesday is right this new Sheldon is a little more of an asshole and childish than he ever was before. At least in the early seasons he was childlike and not inmature and would occasionally permit himself to be as humble as he could be to those he cared for.

Yes a woman can be one of the many catalysts on helping him become a better person but not the type of woman that Amy is representing. She's manipulative, rude, harsh, insensible, and abusive. How is a woman like THAT going to help Sheldon grow as a person? Or a person who acts the exact same way as Sheldon himself? Just because she wants him to engage in sex doesn't mean that it's going to change his attitude towards everyone or even her for that matter. Like Penny once told her "Sex doesn't make you an adult." But Amy thinks otherwise of course and is now doing all she can to get a tighter hold on Sheldon that way he could start putting more of an effort into their codependent just to shut her up by giving her what she wants.

Damn he was THIS close to calling it off with her but then got sidetracked once she mentioned how Leonard was being manipulative with him. Seriously what the hell happened to that eidetic memory of his?!

(02-27-2014, 12:32 AM)Jislane35 Wrote: [ -> ]So it's not just the gang who have never liked Sheldon for who he was but also some of the fans as well. Tuesday is right this new Sheldon is a little more of an asshole and childish than he ever was before. At least in the early seasons he was childlike and not inmature and would occasionally permit himself to be as humble as he could be to those he cared for.

Yes a woman can be one of the many catalysts on helping him become a better person but not the type of woman that Amy is representing. She's manipulative, rude, harsh, insensible, and abusive. How is a woman like THAT going to help Sheldon grow as a person? Or a person who acts the exact same way as Sheldon himself? Just because she wants him to engage in sex doesn't mean that it's going to change his attitude towards everyone or even her for that matter. Like Penny once told her "Sex doesn't make you an adult." But Amy thinks otherwise of course and is now doing all she can to get a tighter hold on Sheldon that way he could start putting more of an effort into their codependent just to shut her up by giving her what she wants.

Damn he was THIS close to calling it off with her but then got sidetracked once she mentioned how Leonard was being manipulative with him. Seriously what the hell happened to that eidetic memory of his?!

It seems that Sheldon can now only remember what happened 18 minutes ago.

(02-27-2014, 12:32 AM)Jislane35 Wrote: [ -> ]So it's not just the gang who have never liked Sheldon for who he was but also some of the fans as well.

There is no question that Sheldon, both the Vintage version and the current version, had and has his flaws, and of course people are entitled to their opinion and have every right to dislike him if that's how they feel. Still I think the strong hatred some fans express towards him is not..normal, for lack of a better word. Based on what I've read of what his haters have to say, I believe a lot of the hatred comes from completely misunderstanding him and missing the point of his character. I've seen how many fans misinterpret everything he says - or used to say as Vintage Sheldon - completely forgetting about and ignoring the fact that many of those comments for which they are hating Sheldon are not meant to be hateful and come from his lack of social skills and from his science-oriented and analytical mind that has him express and see many of those comments as mere facts, sometimes as helpful facts even.

And I find it a bit strange that the haters seem to forget this little fact about him because the show and the writing, as lazy as it can be, actually has highlighted this characteristic of Sheldon on numerous occasions and in different ways, to the point that there are people out there that believe the Sheldon character to be Autistic. The show has even had other characters talk about and articulate this quirk of Sheldon on occasion. (Bernadette talking to Howard in the french maid outfit episode comes to mind.)

So how his critics seem to keep missing this is beyond me. That's why I suspect some of these "critics" are in fact the fans who always related to Leonard (and later Amy) and begrudged all the focus and the popularity the Sheldon character received in the early seasons. That's why they now want him limited and changed.

(02-27-2014, 03:56 AM)FranEssi Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question that Sheldon, both the Vintage version and the current version, had and has his flaws, and of course people are entitled to their opinion and have every right to dislike him if that's how they feel. Still I think the strong hatred some fans express towards him is not..normal, for lack of a better word. Based on what I've read of what his haters have to say, I believe a lot of the hatred comes from completely misunderstanding him and missing the point of his character. I've seen how many fans misinterpret everything he says - or used to say as Vintage Sheldon - completely forgetting about and ignoring the fact that many of those comments for which they are hating Sheldon are not meant to be hateful and come from his lack of social skills and from his science-oriented/analytical mind that has him express and see many of those comments as mere facts, sometimes as helpful facts even.


And I find it a bit strange that the haters seem to forget this little fact about him because the show, as lazy as it can be, actually has highlighted this characteristic of Sheldon on numerous occasions and in different ways, to the point that there are people out there that believe the Sheldon character to be Autistic. The show has even had other characters talk about and articulate this quirk of Sheldon on occasion. (Bernadette talking to Howard in the french maid outfit episode comes to mind.)

So how his critics seem to keep missing this is beyond me. That's why I suspect some of these "critics" are in fact the fans who always related to Leonard (and later Amy) and begrudged all the focus and the popularity the Sheldon character received in the early seasons. That's why they now want him limited and changed.

Out of curiosity, do we refer to these people as LAmys? And if we don't, why not?

I think there are alot of people who consider themselves different. Characters like Sheldon, and Saga(from The Bridge, and she's definetly on some sort of spectrum!), stand out, and give hope to those who think for themselves. Both characters are really popular. They are I believe how most people would like to be. Maybe the show is a metaphor!

I also like MAD SHELDON!!! And that can be anything from; when his face contorts indicating how his mind is short circuiting. To when he becomes unstable, and metamorphosises into a different being. Usually occurs when his life structue is changed, or he can't get a lift to work!!

I don't know if I'm giving the writers too much credit...but I wonder if they are playing with the peaked in high school trope with Sheldon. Except with Sheldon he had two doctorates when his age cohort finished high School. That they are tearing away the veil of his perceived superiority and revealing he is not as great as he thinks he is since he is not the prodigy anymore.

I think I maybe grasping at straws but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

The problem is that there are a bunch of fans who have always seen TBBT as The Leonard Show, with Sheldon as a supporting character. These fans accepted Penny as long as she was loyal to Leonard and now, just like him, view her as his property because he has always wanted her, even when he was with others. They think this proves that he loves her. They don't understand the difference between love and obsession, which illustrates why many of these same fans are so in love with Amy. They don't particularly like Sheldon and Penny because they take attention away from Leonard and Amy. These are the same people who cheered when Fonzi took off the leather jacket, thought Rebecca was better for Sam than Diane, thought Riley was hotter than Angel or Spike. These people are champions of mediocrity and they can't understand an interesting, original character so they support and cheer for his neutering and believe that the best thing that can ever happen to Penny is Leonard. They want the characters to be as plain and boring as they are. These fans are stupid and deluded and unfortunately they will win. And the show that results from their desires being fulfilled will either go off the air quickly or be on the air forever.

(03-21-2014, 03:56 AM)devilbk Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is that there are a bunch of fans who have always seen TBBT as The Leonard Show, with Sheldon as a supporting character. These fans accepted Penny as long as she was loyal to Leonard and now, just like him, view her as his property because he has always wanted her, even when he was with others. They think this proves that he loves her. They don't understand the difference between love and obsession, which illustrates why many of these same fans are so in love with Amy. They don't particularly like Sheldon and Penny because they take attention away from Leonard and Amy. These are the same people who cheered when Fonzi took off the leather jacket, thought Rebecca was better for Sam than Diane, thought Riley was hotter than Angel or Spike. These people are champions of mediocrity and they can't understand an interesting, original character so they support and cheer for his neutering and believe that the best thing that can ever happen to Penny is Leonard. They want the characters to be as plain and boring as they are. These fans are stupid and deluded and unfortunately they will win. And the show that results from their desires being fulfilled will either go off the air quickly or be on the air forever.

um, I support all of this, except to say that I thought Giles was by far the sexiest thing on BtVS, because somehow the whole demonically-animated corpse thing has never worked for me. (sanguine vampiris is a whole other story.) But yes, the whole show is skewed towards the wants, needs and desires of people who are stunted in more than their stature.

Interesting point about the idea of Sheldon as 'past his prime'. That idea was touched upon in the Dennis Kim episode, and I do think Sheldon will feel the pressure of up and coming wunderkind, particularly if he doesn't get his finger out and stop messing about with flags, trains and whatever else he is using to distract himself from facing the present horror of his existence. He's stopped being the smartest guy in the room, now, he's just a weirdo. How much of that is a loss of confidence from the events of the last few years would be hard to say.

Demented phantom Sheldon haunting the halls and scaring the cleaning staff was funny.