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(02-23-2014, 12:50 AM)queenoftheDales Wrote: [ -> ]THIS^^^^ (ok maybe not a half season but still...)

I was a fan of the Sheldon goatee, however short its appearance was

Only time I've found a beard attractive. Well... I suppose Derren Brown suited the moustache/beard. He looks weird without it.

(I'll just clarify that we would SEE what Sheldon was getting up to in there, but Leonard and co. could not, unless they used that wire-camera thing to peep under his door... I could not bear a whole half a season WITHOUT SHELDON!!! (damn, I want to see this now. Absolutely NO CHANCE it will happen though))

(02-23-2014, 12:12 AM)WITCHDOCTOR FANTASTIC Wrote: [ -> ]Making me realise that if the writers had a darker, more twisted streak to them, they could have pulled off some strange mental episodes...

You know, when I first started watching the show and I saw the kind of character Sheldon was, I thought I was in for a lot of such mental episodes, because when you've got a special character like Sheldon and a show that is supposed to have to do with science, the possibilities for interesting scenarios will be endless. Just imagine all the crazy scenarios they could have written for all the guys in general, and for Sheldon in particular. I remember watching an interview with Jim. It was done back in season 3 I think. And when talking about the stories the show would come up with, he said (not direct quote), "Our show is about science and geniuses, so the sky is the limit." and he was right.

But why oh why the show instead decided to go down the tired, old, worn-out road of relationship and couples drama is something I don't get. Especially when it comes to Sheldon, I'm trying to fathom why the show would create a "special" character, a genius with all those quirks, just to turn around and to decide to give him a girlfriend and to make him normal??? Couldn't they see that keeping him as the quirky genius and in his own world actually gave them much more interesting, fresh and different material to work with?

I have no problem with romance. But the thing is romance was not the point of the Sheldon character, nor was it the source of his humor. Getting into a (permanent) relationship is against the nature of the character. We already had characters like Leonard, Howard and Raj who were desperate for romance. The writers could write all kinds of romantic/relationship scenarios for them and explore relationships and romance to their hearts' content through those characters. Why on earth did they have to drag Sheldon into it too??

I currently don't have the clarity necessary to respond to a post of this precision, owing to a combination of gibbering tiredness and a mildly whiskified malaise, but you are utterly right as usual FranEssi.
I don't understand this bizarre re-purposing either. It's like using a Ming Vase as a pisspot in the local hospice....When ANY BUCKET WOULD DO.
Why did they create this beautiful, intricate, delicate and largely unfathomable character, only to blunt his details, scrub down his shine, and reshape him into the commonest, dullest, most dispiriting cliches imaginable? The hen-pecked husband. The abrasive jerk. The Idiot Child.
Pick a goddamn card, because they're all applicable.

(02-23-2014, 06:43 PM)FranEssi Wrote: [ -> ]You know, when I first started watching the show and I saw the kind of character Sheldon was, I thought I was in for a lot of such mental episodes, because when you've got a special character like Sheldon and a show that is supposed to have to do with science, the possibilities for interesting scenarios will be endless. Just imagine all the crazy scenarios they could have written for all the guys in general, and for Sheldon in particular. I remember watching an interview with Jim. It was done back in season 3 I think. And when talking about the stories the show would come up with, he said (not direct quote), "Our show is about science and geniuses, so the world is our oyster" and he was right.

But why oh why the show instead decided to go down the tired, old, worn-out road of relationship and couples drama is something I don't get. Especially when it comes to Sheldon, I'm trying to fathom why the show would create a "special" character, a genius with all those quirks, just to turn around and to decide to give him a girlfriend and to make him normal??? Couldn't they see that keeping him as the quirky genius and in his own world actually gave them much more interesting, fresh and different material to work with?

I have no problem with romance. But the thing is romance was not the point of the Sheldon character, nor was it the source of his humor. Getting into a (permanent) relationship is against the nature of the character. We already had characters like Leonard, Howard and Raj who were desperate for romance. The writers could write all kinds of romantic/relationship scenarios for them and explore relationships and romance to their hearts' content through those characters. Why on earth did they have to drag Sheldon into it too??

Doctor, who IS that smug, nodding mopoke of a character? His mildly dim-witted, bacchanalian face disagrees with me....Am I mistaken? Is he in fact, lovely? The relentlessness of the looped gif doesn't do anybody any favours...

Thank you witchdoctor for that bizarre gif because I'm just laughing my face off right now at Gripe's reaction to it. points for the word Mopoke.

(02-23-2014, 07:24 PM)Major Gripe Wrote: [ -> ]Doctor, who IS that smug, nodding mopoke of a character? His mildly dim-witted, bacchanalian face disagrees with me....Am I mistaken? Is he in fact, lovely? The relentlessness of the looped gif doesn't do anybody any favours...

Kurt Hummel. Looking uncharacteristically creepy. I don't know what's going on with his face there either... Come to think of it there's something weird about every looped facial expression...

(02-23-2014, 07:00 PM)Major Gripe Wrote: [ -> ]I currently don't have the clarity necessary to respond to a post of this precision, owing to a combination of gibbering tiredness and a mildly whiskified malaise, but you are utterly right as usual FranEssi.
I don't understand this bizarre re-purposing either. It's like using a Ming Vase as a pisspot in the local hospice....When ANY BUCKET WOULD DO.
Why did they create this beautiful, intricate, delicate and largely unfathomable character, only to blunt his details, scrub down his shine, and reshape him into the commonest, dullest, most dispiriting cliches imaginable? The hen-pecked husband. The abrasive jerk. The Idiot Child.
Pick a goddamn card, because they're all applicable.

Major, while it's kind of you to call it a post of precision, that post is in fact a rant! Between reading Witchdocor's brilliant idea for a strange, mental episode (aka what the show could have been) and reading FlyingMonkey's report from Shamyland about how they think Amy has changed Sheldon for the better!! (aka what the show is today), I felt a strong need to rant! I HAD to vent! Hence the post! lol!

As for the reason(s) why they changed Sheldon the way they have, that's something many of us on here have been trying to figure out. It's absolutely baffling. But as others have pointed out, improving the other characters' profile (Leonard's especially) has definitely been one of the main reasons. The writers' laziness, lack of creativity and running out of ideas can be another factor? Although I still don't think those fully explain the blatant character assassination that has been going on. So I'm wondering maybe there are some people in the creative team of the show that begrudge the character's success (and also have a fear of the people who are too intelligent and different), so they decided to break him and now maybe even get some kind of sick enjoyment out of seeing the character lose the core of who he is little by little? *shrug*

(02-23-2014, 06:43 PM)FranEssi Wrote: [ -> ]You know, when I first started watching the show and I saw the kind of character Sheldon was, I thought I was in for a lot of such mental episodes, because when you've got a special character like Sheldon and a show that is supposed to have to do with science, the possibilities for interesting scenarios will be endless. Just imagine all the crazy scenarios they could have written for all the guys in general, and for Sheldon in particular. I remember watching an interview with Jim. It was done back in season 3 I think. And when talking about the stories the show would come up with, he said (not direct quote), "Our show is about science and geniuses, so the world is our oyster" and he was right.

But why oh why the show instead decided to go down the tired, old, worn-out road of relationship and couples drama is something I don't get. Especially when it comes to Sheldon, I'm trying to fathom why the show would create a "special" character, a genius with all those quirks, just to turn around and to decide to give him a girlfriend and to make him normal??? Couldn't they see that keeping him as the quirky genius and in his own world actually gave them much more interesting, fresh and different material to work with?

I have no problem with romance. But the thing is romance was not the point of the Sheldon character, nor was it the source of his humor. Getting into a (permanent) relationship is against the nature of the character. We already had characters like Leonard, Howard and Raj who were desperate for romance. The writers could write all kinds of romantic/relationship scenarios for them and explore relationships and romance to their hearts' content through those characters. Why on earth did they have to drag Sheldon into it too??

I remember posting something almost identical to that in Orangeland a couple years ago and the response from most posters was "You just want Sheldon & Amy to die old and lonely in their empty apartments. How can you be so heartless?". You can't really discuss the show with people like that.

(02-23-2014, 10:11 PM)FlyingMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]I remember posting something almost identical to that in Orangeland a couple years ago and the response from most posters was "You just want Sheldon & Amy to die old and lonely in their empty apartments. How can you be so heartless?". You can't really discuss the show with people like that.

You really can't. When the show ends Sheldon doesn't grow old. He doesn't get lonely, he ceases to exist. If they can't grasp that, there's no starting point for a discussion.