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  Sussman has a new gig.
Posted by: Tuesday Pajamas - 09-17-2014, 01:36 AM - Forum: Weekly Email Blast - Replies (3)

Kevin has sold a comedy show to CBS and he will be co-exec produce it. I wonder if this means less of Stuart who was made a regular cast member two years ago. Not that the show have done anything good with him.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-fe...lls-733105

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  Relationships
Posted by: Louise - 09-15-2014, 07:07 AM - Forum: Shipping - Replies (52)

A and B are plot devices, not characters. They are tools with which to carry out the "change." I am suspicious of any character who is introduced for the sole purpose of being a love-interest.

Plus, none of these characters seemed to be deeply unhappy before the "changes." (Especially not Sheldon. Leonard was perhaps the unhappiest.) Did they have problems, maybe even serious problems? Yes. But so does everyone. There is no problem-free life. We all have challenges, disappointments, neuroses, fears, and areas of weakness. I don't think anyone can honestly say that these people's lives are better now. They've simply traded one set of problems for another.

Life is not some 12-step program where each person is steadily progressing towards some arbitrary definition of "better."

As I've mentioned before, I find the values promoted by this show to be utterly bizarre. When you examine it, it's extremely old-fashioned: the point of life is to get married/coupled ASAP, to the first person who is even remotely suitable, and this is the only rite of passage that can make a child into an adult?

Are we living in pioneer times, with a shortage of people to marry? People in their mid to late twenties need to "grow up" and stop acting youthful? This show's attitude towards relationships is downright Victorian. It's almost fundamentalist. Life has no other purpose than to marry young and reproduce? Are we living on a farm where we need 12 kids to plant the crops?

It's just *so* backwards and wacky, to me. I can't comprehend where the writers/creators are coming from, at all. This show's definition of maturity is to act middle-aged at 30. It's so completely out of sync with the current state of our society. I don't know anyone IRL who is in a constant state of panic about being single, or anyone who thinks you're a failure if you're not married/coupled by 27.

It's just *so* retrogressive and weird. Do the writers think we're living in a medieval village where you'll only live to be 50, so hurry up and get married before you die?

There are all different kinds of lifestyles out there. The show seems to deny that, strenuously. They won't show us a character who is content to be single*, or a gay relationship that isn't treated as a punchline, or anything other than "boy and girl must get together and stay together, now, now, NOW." They won't even admit that two people might like each other but not want to live together, or that couples can be together without a formal commitment. There's only one right way of doing things, and that's the most conventional and traditionalist way.

*Sheldon was content to be single, but they wouldn't leave that alone.

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  Multi-shipping
Posted by: Louise - 09-11-2014, 07:35 AM - Forum: Shipping - Replies (8)

Okay, this rant has been brewing in my mind for a while, and I will try to write it carefully, because I might come off seeming narrow-minded or seeming like I'm telling other people what they can/can't ship, and that's not my intention. It's a sensitive subject. Anyway, here goes:

I find "multi-shippers" irritating. And when I say "multi-shippers", I mean people who make statements like "I ship Sheldon/Penny...and Sheldon/Amy, and Penny/Leonard, and Penny/Stuart, and Sheldon/Leonard, and Leonard/Amy, Stuart/Raj, Raj/Howard, Raj/Penny, Penny/Leonard/Sheldon and Penny/Amy/Sheldon and Leslie/Penny and yadda-yadda-yadda-yadda."

The characters are not interchangeable. "I ship each and every character with each and every other character" is not a ship. If you just enjoy reading/writing shippy scenarios and you're not picky about which characters are involved, fair enough, but at least be honest about it. Each and every character has a fascinating sexual and interpersonal chemistry with each and every other character? No.

Now, please let me clarify. I like unusual ships. I like slash. I like (and prefer, obviously) non-canon ships. This is not a question of canon versus non-canon. I do not presume to tell other people what they can or can't ship, although, like everyone here, I think some ships are unpleasant or unconvincing or incompatible, and I'll say so.

Putting all the characters together in a blender is not a ship. If someone was honest enough to say "I just like reading/writing porn and I'm not particular about which pairings are featured", that's legit. "I ship Shenny but I also find Shamy interesting" would likewise be a legit statement. "I ship Sheldon/Penny and Leonard/Penny and Sheldon/Amy" is a nonsensical statement. Something like "I find all of those possible ships equally interesting" would be a more logical way of putting it.

Maybe the definition of the term "ship" is changing and I'm not aware of it, but I was under the impression that when you say "I ship X and Y", you mean that those two characters are the *most compatible* and their relationship is the most positive or the most exciting or the most entertaining, compared to the other options.

Yes, yes, there are countless possible universes, like Sheldon told us. Yes, people can write or ship whatever they want. But "I ship it" means that the pairing in question is *superior to the other options, in your opinion.* It means you feel invested in that pairing. "I ship everyone with everyone" is meaningless.

Again, I know this might make me sound narrow-minded or grouchy. If there's a pairing that doesn't work well in canon and someone wants to make it work better in fanfiction, good for them. Go for it. But I am not impressed with people who seem to just toss random combinations of characters into sexual situations like they're pulling names out of a hat....

It just seems show-offy and silly, like "Look what I can do!!!"

The characters are not interchangeable. If they were, then the canon ships wouldn't be as awful as they are.

ETA: I am not arguing against obscure pairings. If you want to ship Captain Sweatpants/Katee Sackhoff, be my guest. But "I ship Shenny and Shamy and these two things can co-exist and are equally valid in my mind" is, at best, a rather strange attitude. It's almost like you're unwilling to express a strong and definite opinion. It's like you're hedging your bets, like "Well, I ship everything, so nobody can disagree with me or criticize me, because I've got all my bases covered."

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