Like an old married couple
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“Spider-Man”
is there an example. The producer had said, that the viewer should understand why Peter loves MJ. And yes, I could understand. It was built in a good way, and even if I don’t like the “Spider-Man”-movies so much I had to admit that it was good made for the characters. In the case of “TBBT”-relationships there is nothing like that. No possible explanation why this couples are together. Huh

“Idle Miscreant” had send me once as answer of one of my posts this dialog between Penny and Sheldon about Leonard, where Penny had said that she knows that he is a liar, cheater, ect,….but she still love him. That hit it on the nail. It was like a (woodhammer)-message to the viewers:

“There is no explanation! We had decided and you have to swallow it!”

That is crude and shows that there is not many believe in the mind of the viewers. And than there is this other thing. When I remember it well, than it was Stewart who had said this lines that it was Leonard who has enriched Pennys life and led her more thinking about the world,  bla, bla, bla.
Dear american members of the “Shenny”-HQ, it was your “pope of critics” Roger Ebert who had said that he hates it if a writer uses an established character to make advertising for another character. And he is absolutely right. Symphaty for a character must be based on his…. ,yes character,… his behavior and his credibility. If the makers deem it necessary to explain the audience how “great” this character is through the mouth of another character than it is cheap and manipulative Morlock
. It is a kind of desperation and shows that they actually know that the character/ the relationship do not work.

When Penny and Sheldon were acting together, the fascination for them and the imagination of them, as a possible romantic couple, comes from itself.
There were no needs for explanations of any kinds and I think that is one of the greatest treasures a producer or a writer could have. When the constellation of the characters and the acting of the cast, works for its own. They indeed saw that and wrote at the first two seasons more and more scenes for them which justified the establishment and the success of the whole show. So long the “Shenny”-shippers were good enough and then they made this radical illogical turn that made this extraordinary series to an ordinary soap-opera.  
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Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-01-2014, 09:23 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FlyingMonkey - 01-02-2014, 12:35 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-02-2014, 12:46 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Wisp - 01-04-2014, 12:10 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by taffinabean - 01-14-2014, 02:13 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by taffinabean - 01-14-2014, 08:09 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 01-14-2014, 09:13 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by taffinabean - 01-14-2014, 09:24 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 01-14-2014, 05:12 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-14-2014, 02:24 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 01-14-2014, 07:07 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Gamma - 01-14-2014, 12:58 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 01-15-2014, 02:29 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by taffinabean - 01-15-2014, 02:59 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 01-15-2014, 03:12 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Gamma - 01-17-2014, 09:07 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-18-2014, 10:23 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-20-2014, 10:46 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 01-20-2014, 11:05 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-20-2014, 11:07 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Nutz - 01-21-2014, 07:25 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by taffinabean - 01-21-2014, 09:12 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 01-21-2014, 10:43 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Gamma - 01-31-2014, 12:31 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FlyingMonkey - 02-16-2014, 02:52 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 02-16-2014, 03:04 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Jislane35 - 02-16-2014, 04:36 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 02-16-2014, 02:47 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Nutz - 02-23-2014, 10:00 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 02-17-2014, 03:51 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 02-18-2014, 09:59 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 02-19-2014, 03:48 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 02-19-2014, 12:33 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 02-25-2014, 11:16 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by devilbk - 02-24-2014, 02:15 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Jislane35 - 02-26-2014, 02:17 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by devilbk - 02-26-2014, 08:13 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Jislane35 - 02-26-2014, 09:14 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Jislane35 - 02-26-2014, 09:19 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FlyingMonkey - 03-01-2014, 11:40 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 03-02-2014, 10:44 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-04-2014, 10:13 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by lewstonewar - 03-07-2014, 11:20 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-04-2014, 10:31 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by devilbk - 03-04-2014, 11:41 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 03-04-2014, 10:35 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-04-2014, 10:41 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 03-04-2014, 11:01 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-04-2014, 11:50 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by devilbk - 03-04-2014, 11:53 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-05-2014, 12:12 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-05-2014, 12:45 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 03-06-2014, 02:01 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-06-2014, 02:14 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 03-06-2014, 02:29 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-06-2014, 02:35 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by devilbk - 03-06-2014, 03:00 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by devilbk - 03-06-2014, 03:54 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 03-06-2014, 05:36 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Jislane35 - 03-06-2014, 05:42 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 03-06-2014, 05:42 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 03-06-2014, 06:19 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 03-07-2014, 11:48 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 03-09-2014, 11:10 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by FranEssi - 03-10-2014, 12:52 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 03-19-2014, 11:29 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 04-03-2014, 08:11 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by spuffyfan - 04-04-2014, 12:55 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Nutz - 04-04-2014, 12:18 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by spuffyfan - 04-05-2014, 01:11 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Wisp - 05-01-2014, 03:54 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by SpaceAnJL - 05-03-2014, 03:19 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Berliner - 05-07-2014, 04:19 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Wisp - 05-16-2014, 08:58 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by spuffyfan - 05-27-2014, 07:53 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Toad - 08-08-2014, 07:54 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Gamma - 09-04-2014, 12:21 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Louise - 09-04-2014, 04:47 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Del Fino - 11-16-2014, 06:43 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 11-16-2014, 10:23 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Trust No One - 11-18-2014, 11:39 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Louise - 12-06-2014, 02:23 PM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Louise - 12-12-2014, 07:46 PM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 08-23-2015, 05:38 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 05-27-2015, 05:50 AM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Nutz - 07-17-2015, 02:34 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 08-13-2015, 07:56 AM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 08-15-2015, 11:05 AM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 09-16-2015, 10:01 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Kimk26 - 09-22-2015, 01:21 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 10-21-2015, 04:30 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 10-24-2015, 09:41 AM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 11-19-2015, 02:24 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 12-08-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Kimk26 - 12-23-2015, 09:38 AM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 12-31-2015, 10:39 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 02-08-2016, 08:29 AM
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RE: Like an old married couple - by Kimk26 - 02-08-2016, 11:52 PM
RE: Like an old married couple - by Ratman77 - 02-10-2016, 11:06 AM
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